Showing posts with label Or Sameah. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Or Sameah. Show all posts

Tuesday, December 18, 2012

How far does borer go?

One of the 39 melakhot in the mishnah on 73a is borer, “separating” a mixture of waste and food. This is one of the melakhot in siddura de-pat, the process of making bread.

In general, as the rishonim learn from Shabbat 74a–b, you may only select from a mixture under three conditions: (1) you remove the food from the waste, and not vice versa; (2) you remove the food by hand; (3) you remove it for immediate eating. When any of these conditions are missing, a penalty of karet is at stake. Each condition is very detailed, and I don't plan to cover them here.

One of the major questions with borer is how far its application goes. What kinds of mixed items are included in the prohibition? Just waste from food? Or even forks from knives?

At one extreme, there is the Talmud Yerushalmi, Shabbat 7:2, which quotes Rabbi Yudan's limited view of borer:

אמר רבי יודן יש שהוא בורר צרורות כל היום ואינו מתחייב יש שהוא נוטל כגרוגרת ומיד מתחייב היך עבידה היה יושב על גבי כרי וברר צרורות כל היום אינו מתחייב נטל לתוך ידו כגרוגרת ובירר חייב

It sounds like the only way to transgress borer is to clear the very last stone from a pile of grain. You have to entirely purify the food from its waste. Unlike what happened with zoreh, this is a case where you'd be happy for the Rema to pick up the Yerushalmi, at least if you like kulot.

At the other extreme, we have the “great question” of Rabbi Yehiel Michel Epstein, in Arukh ha-Shulkhan, O"H 319:8. He assumes that borer applies to literally “everything,” even a collection of non-food items. Were it indeed so, he objects, “we could not find our hands and feet!”

Wednesday, November 14, 2012

“A keli sheni cannot cook”

Disclaimer: nothing in this post should be taken as practical. As Rav Eliezer Melamed explains,

התשובה הכללית, שבכלי ראשון הדבר אסור ובכלי שני מעיקר הדין מותר, אולם בפועל רק בכלי שלישי מותר.

In general, even though putting food in a keli sheni is permitted in principle, in practice we often allow only a keli shelishi. This post discusses the principle, not the practice.

Why is a keli sheni different from a keli rishon? Isn't possible to have a keli sheni that is just as hot as a keli rishon and cooks food just as easily?